MMMmmm. some interesting and poorly thought out arguments methinks, in respect of the 'Non sense' restrictions and I feel compelled to make some comments that 'some' might find useful for others - food for thought.
When the subdivision was originally conceived in 1908 'Yes 1908' all manor of well to do residents of New South Wales and indeed the wider Australia, seized on the opportunity to buy a plot, yes plot on a subdivision, most of the area was sparsely vegetated and the issues based around properly investing and developing the area began as Crown wrangling over whom should control development, it seems Port Stephens won.
time passed..... some gained planning consent.(in NAC)... most did not..... reasons for this are a matter of conjecture and debate and beyond the scope of this post.
Fast forward to today and the subdivision lots are changing hands, the rich speculators have largely moved on and have been replaced by the council now having managed to obtain 1000 lots, whilst those now buying the lots are those not of significant means, they may perhaps not own property elsewhere and are so trying to make the most of their resources.
Being able to camp on their subdivision land and being required to ensure fire safety for themselves and other subdivision owners from the now all to obvious fire hazards that the council has created means they are duty bound to clear the land appropriately. Camping involves living on the land for 2 months of the year and the land has to be cleared to facilitate this. I am in the process of producing current and useful documentation regarding the permissable clearing that is sensibly and safety orientated, so that all those living in their cleared lot houses on the Non urban subdivision can avoid mistaking what is legal and what is not. I will post it here once complete.
As regards enforcement, it should be pointed out that if the land on the subdivision is the only land that lot owners have and they are residents of New South Wales, then engaging with them for the sake of non sense will be expensive for the now broke MCC, if they were to pursue one or more lot owners to make an example, this could if taken to a finite level involve the council in re-housing them. This is turn could create a pathway to housing in the MCC for subsivision land owners do have unalienable rights.
Add this to the costs of policing and legal expenses and you can make your own decisions as to where this could ultimately lead.
As regards the burn out brigade, anyone foolish enough to blame residents, campers and other subdivision lot owners, must surely be working for the council. Happy Easter. Don't eat too much chocolate....
AA Company’s Lot 427 covered the area from Bulga Creek to Balberook Cove. Dairy Farmer Archibald Campbell bought Lot 427 from the AA Company in 1904. He sold it to Land Ltd in early 1918. Land Ltd’s principals were Samuel Emmett and Austin Chapman, MP.
Photo Marion Griffin, 1918, Australian National Library
The land was certainly not sparsely vegetated. There was relatively minor clearing. See Marion Griffin’s photographs in the Australian National Library,
Walter Burley Griffin's proposed subdivision for Land Ltd was submitted to Stroud Shire Council a few months later, in May 1918. Later that year, there were some "commitments to buy" some of the proposed lots, mostly from businesses, but no actual sales. There were, as yet, no deeds to hand over.
Council’s approval had been dependent on the payment of a £2,000 bond. That bond was to ensure that Land Ltd cleared the roadways within five years. Land Ltd was unable to raise the capital to pay the bond. It was wound up in June 1919.
Port Stephen’s Development Ltd took over, with Henry Halloran as Governing Director. Austin Chapman remained involved, and his wife was mortgagor of Lot 427. The new company had an initial capital of £20,000, so it was able to pay the bond for the roads. Council had generously lowered that bond to £1,500.
Meanwhile, Halloran had radically altered Griffin’s vision for the subdivision, including subdividing Griffin’s proposed lengthy waterfront reserves right down to the waterway.
Sales began Easter weekend, 1920, of selected lots in deposited plans 9938, 9939 and 9940. Initial purchases were mostly of those new waterside blocks and the areas proposed to be the shopping precinct. Some were sold near the proposed railway terminal!
Two years later, Halloran had subdivisions DP 12275, 12276 and 12277 approved. Later still, even those areas that were still marked as a "site for park" on Halloran’s 1919 plan were "sold". The developers did not honour their commitment to make these public land.
The Ridgeway, looking from where the P.O. was to be, but now the site of the Hall, Tennis Court and Yallarwah.
"Sales" photos taken in the 1920s show that Halloran’s company cleared the areas they were trying to sell at the time, as well as the roadways leading to them, but the remaining area was still bushland.
The proposal for a railway line was rejected by 1925. Newcastle objected to a rival port just to its north. Then came the depression. There were very few sales in DPs 12275-7. Council defined the village area in the early 1960s. The bulk of the sales outside the village area came in the 1980s and 1990s.
MMMmmm. some interesting and…
MMMmmm. some interesting and poorly thought out arguments methinks, in respect of the 'Non sense' restrictions and I feel compelled to make some comments that 'some' might find useful for others - food for thought.
When the subdivision was originally conceived in 1908 'Yes 1908' all manor of well to do residents of New South Wales and indeed the wider Australia, seized on the opportunity to buy a plot, yes plot on a subdivision, most of the area was sparsely vegetated and the issues based around properly investing and developing the area began as Crown wrangling over whom should control development, it seems Port Stephens won.
time passed..... some gained planning consent.(in NAC)... most did not..... reasons for this are a matter of conjecture and debate and beyond the scope of this post.
Fast forward to today and the subdivision lots are changing hands, the rich speculators have largely moved on and have been replaced by the council now having managed to obtain 1000 lots, whilst those now buying the lots are those not of significant means, they may perhaps not own property elsewhere and are so trying to make the most of their resources.
Being able to camp on their subdivision land and being required to ensure fire safety for themselves and other subdivision owners from the now all to obvious fire hazards that the council has created means they are duty bound to clear the land appropriately. Camping involves living on the land for 2 months of the year and the land has to be cleared to facilitate this. I am in the process of producing current and useful documentation regarding the permissable clearing that is sensibly and safety orientated, so that all those living in their cleared lot houses on the Non urban subdivision can avoid mistaking what is legal and what is not. I will post it here once complete.
As regards enforcement, it should be pointed out that if the land on the subdivision is the only land that lot owners have and they are residents of New South Wales, then engaging with them for the sake of non sense will be expensive for the now broke MCC, if they were to pursue one or more lot owners to make an example, this could if taken to a finite level involve the council in re-housing them. This is turn could create a pathway to housing in the MCC for subsivision land owners do have unalienable rights.
Add this to the costs of policing and legal expenses and you can make your own decisions as to where this could ultimately lead.
As regards the burn out brigade, anyone foolish enough to blame residents, campers and other subdivision lot owners, must surely be working for the council. Happy Easter. Don't eat too much chocolate....
MMMmany MMMmuddled “facts”…
MMMmany MMMmuddled “facts” there Ringo!
There was no subdivision in 1908!
AA Company’s Lot 427 covered the area from Bulga Creek to Balberook Cove. Dairy Farmer Archibald Campbell bought Lot 427 from the AA Company in 1904. He sold it to Land Ltd in early 1918. Land Ltd’s principals were Samuel Emmett and Austin Chapman, MP.
The land was certainly not sparsely vegetated. There was relatively minor clearing. See Marion Griffin’s photographs in the Australian National Library,
Walter Burley Griffin's proposed subdivision for Land Ltd was submitted to Stroud Shire Council a few months later, in May 1918. Later that year, there were some "commitments to buy" some of the proposed lots, mostly from businesses, but no actual sales. There were, as yet, no deeds to hand over.
Council’s approval had been dependent on the payment of a £2,000 bond. That bond was to ensure that Land Ltd cleared the roadways within five years. Land Ltd was unable to raise the capital to pay the bond. It was wound up in June 1919.
Port Stephen’s Development Ltd took over, with Henry Halloran as Governing Director. Austin Chapman remained involved, and his wife was mortgagor of Lot 427. The new company had an initial capital of £20,000, so it was able to pay the bond for the roads. Council had generously lowered that bond to £1,500.
Meanwhile, Halloran had radically altered Griffin’s vision for the subdivision, including subdividing Griffin’s proposed lengthy waterfront reserves right down to the waterway.
Sales began Easter weekend, 1920, of selected lots in deposited plans 9938, 9939 and 9940. Initial purchases were mostly of those new waterside blocks and the areas proposed to be the shopping precinct. Some were sold near the proposed railway terminal!
Two years later, Halloran had subdivisions DP 12275, 12276 and 12277 approved. Later still, even those areas that were still marked as a "site for park" on Halloran’s 1919 plan were "sold". The developers did not honour their commitment to make these public land.
"Sales" photos taken in the 1920s show that Halloran’s company cleared the areas they were trying to sell at the time, as well as the roadways leading to them, but the remaining area was still bushland.
The proposal for a railway line was rejected by 1925. Newcastle objected to a rival port just to its north. Then came the depression. There were very few sales in DPs 12275-7. Council defined the village area in the early 1960s. The bulk of the sales outside the village area came in the 1980s and 1990s.